Comments on: Subsidized Ice Cream For The Fat Rich Kids!!! Yippy!!! http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/ Pragmatic Libertarianism Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:26:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Desultory Thoughts » My Opinion on Vouchers - Referendum 1 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-30077 Desultory Thoughts » My Opinion on Vouchers - Referendum 1 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:12:36 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-30077 [...] Education Association Jeremy’s Jerimiad The Wall of Separation Utahns for Public Schools Singing Bravely zero comments so far [...] […] Education Association Jeremy’s Jerimiad The Wall of Separation Utahns for Public Schools Singing Bravely zero comments so far […]

]]> By: Natalie http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-5097 Natalie Tue, 22 May 2007 04:29:19 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-5097 I haven't been around lately, so I thought I'd pop in, and I am so glad I did. I couldn't stop laughing and, even though my husband thinks I am crazy, you hit the nail right on the head! I haven’t been around lately, so I thought I’d pop in, and I am so glad I did. I couldn’t stop laughing and, even though my husband thinks I am crazy, you hit the nail right on the head!

]]> By: cody http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4737 cody Fri, 18 May 2007 18:49:37 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4737 If the public system is broken, taxpayer money should be spent to fix the public system, not distributed to private parties and private educations. Greedy chubby kids with the ice cream cones say it all! If the public system is broken, taxpayer money should be spent to fix the public system, not distributed to private parties and private educations.

Greedy chubby kids with the ice cream cones say it all!

]]> By: Jeremy Manning http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4734 Jeremy Manning Fri, 18 May 2007 14:25:43 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4734 NoSurfGirl, I believe #2 is accurate but it is really hard to get a straight answer from either side on how much money is going to be spent and where that money is coming from. The pro-voucher people argue #1 is correct but Craig Johnson from Utahns For Public Schools commented on this site that the long term (he didn't say if that was 10 years or more) fiscal note for vouchers was $425,000,000 to come from the general fund...not school dollars. In my opinion it doesn't matter in Utah which of the two funding plans you mentioned is likely to be used. Utah's schools are good enough that vouchers probably won't end up being a fiscal plus for Utah. The parents of kids who are already going to private schools will get a great kickback...most of the rest of us will just keep our kids in the excellent schools they are currently experiencing. NoSurfGirl,

I believe #2 is accurate but it is really hard to get a straight answer from either side on how much money is going to be spent and where that money is coming from. The pro-voucher people argue #1 is correct but Craig Johnson from Utahns For Public Schools commented on this site that the long term (he didn’t say if that was 10 years or more) fiscal note for vouchers was $425,000,000 to come from the general fund…not school dollars.

In my opinion it doesn’t matter in Utah which of the two funding plans you mentioned is likely to be used. Utah’s schools are good enough that vouchers probably won’t end up being a fiscal plus for Utah. The parents of kids who are already going to private schools will get a great kickback…most of the rest of us will just keep our kids in the excellent schools they are currently experiencing.

]]> By: Also Homer http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4733 Also Homer Fri, 18 May 2007 14:00:56 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4733 Mmmmmmmmm....free gooo Mmmmmmmmm….free gooo

]]> By: Homer http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4714 Homer Fri, 18 May 2007 04:44:00 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4714 Mmmmmmmmm...ice cream..... Mmmmmmmmm…ice cream…..

]]> By: nosurfgirl http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4708 nosurfgirl Fri, 18 May 2007 03:49:44 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4708 :) So, I guess my question is-- are they taking tax dollars that are already allocated to public education and simply putting them in the hands of the parents, or are they redirecting new tax dollars, on top of what they spend currently for education, toward vouchers? I'd favor #1 but not #2. :)

So, I guess my question is– are they taking tax dollars that are already allocated to public education and simply putting them in the hands of the parents, or are they redirecting new tax dollars, on top of what they spend currently for education, toward vouchers? I’d favor #1 but not #2.

]]> By: Jeremy Manning http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4629 Jeremy Manning Thu, 17 May 2007 18:02:00 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4629 Thanks Dignan! Thanks Dignan!

]]> By: Jeremy Manning http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4628 Jeremy Manning Thu, 17 May 2007 18:00:58 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4628 NoSurfgirl, Never apologize for a strong opinion on my site :-) That said, I still think you are wrong. There may be schools that aren't as good as others but creating a new government run multi-million dollar giveaway for people who want to send their kids to private schools instead of public isn't the answer. I do favor allowing parents to choose which public school they take their kids to no matter which district they live in. I also support the idea of homeschooling or parents paying for their kids private schooling with private scholarships or grants. These are all better solutions to localized problems than a new ginormous giveaway of tax dollars to everyone who wants to opt out of our public schools. NoSurfgirl,

Never apologize for a strong opinion on my site :-)

That said, I still think you are wrong. There may be schools that aren’t as good as others but creating a new government run multi-million dollar giveaway for people who want to send their kids to private schools instead of public isn’t the answer.

I do favor allowing parents to choose which public school they take their kids to no matter which district they live in. I also support the idea of homeschooling or parents paying for their kids private schooling with private scholarships or grants. These are all better solutions to localized problems than a new ginormous giveaway of tax dollars to everyone who wants to opt out of our public schools.

]]> By: rmwarnick http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4626 rmwarnick Thu, 17 May 2007 17:48:12 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/05/16/subsidized-ice-cream-for-the-fat-rich-kids-yippy/#comment-4626 If I were with the pro-voucher people, I'd say they need a new ad agency. But I'm not, so here's hoping this campaign goes forward with TV and radio spots to keep us laughing all the way to the ballot box in November. Hope the children are watching this and learning how our government works, behind closed doors and driven by whichever special interests have the most money to spend. If I were with the pro-voucher people, I’d say they need a new ad agency. But I’m not, so here’s hoping this campaign goes forward with TV and radio spots to keep us laughing all the way to the ballot box in November.

Hope the children are watching this and learning how our government works, behind closed doors and driven by whichever special interests have the most money to spend.

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