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	<title>Comments on: Gore&#8217;s Award Cheapens The Efforts Of His Co-Winners</title>
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		<title>By: Lars-Erik Rundquist</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-74086</link>
		<author>Lars-Erik Rundquist</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gore didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize simply because he produced movie.  There's nothing really slick about talking to an audience and showing some pictures and a PowerPoint presentation; I do it all the time, and with much cooler animations than he used... though my subject are much more mundane than the health of the environment.

What IS worthy of recognition is the amount of impact that the film has had.  I am still deciding how I feel about the Nobel award, but there isn't any doubt that the film HAS had an impact.  Regardless of people's viewpoints on the film and whether Global Warming is actually something to be concerned about, people ARE now thinking about carpooling more, changing their lights to CFL's, taking fewer trips to the store, considering the cardon footprint of the things they buy, etc.  

And regardless if their motivation is to reduce greenhouse gasses or just saving money on their utility bill, people ARE making an impact, even if it is still a small one... but when you add everyone's small impacts together, pretty soon you have a large impact.

So why not give an award to a guy who has been a large catalyst for many Americans to finally realize what others around the world have known, and been concerned with, for quite some time.  No one else in the U.S. -- especially not this Administration, who is so heavily tied to oil consumption -- has deemed it worthy enough to acknowledge?  Should it have been the Nobel Peace Prize?  Perhaps not... but what other award is there that the world community could give that would show that they are finally glad to see that the U.S. is finally getting involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gore didn&#8217;t get the Nobel Peace Prize simply because he produced movie.  There&#8217;s nothing really slick about talking to an audience and showing some pictures and a PowerPoint presentation; I do it all the time, and with much cooler animations than he used&#8230; though my subject are much more mundane than the health of the environment.</p>
<p>What IS worthy of recognition is the amount of impact that the film has had.  I am still deciding how I feel about the Nobel award, but there isn&#8217;t any doubt that the film HAS had an impact.  Regardless of people&#8217;s viewpoints on the film and whether Global Warming is actually something to be concerned about, people ARE now thinking about carpooling more, changing their lights to CFL&#8217;s, taking fewer trips to the store, considering the cardon footprint of the things they buy, etc.  </p>
<p>And regardless if their motivation is to reduce greenhouse gasses or just saving money on their utility bill, people ARE making an impact, even if it is still a small one&#8230; but when you add everyone&#8217;s small impacts together, pretty soon you have a large impact.</p>
<p>So why not give an award to a guy who has been a large catalyst for many Americans to finally realize what others around the world have known, and been concerned with, for quite some time.  No one else in the U.S. &#8212; especially not this Administration, who is so heavily tied to oil consumption &#8212; has deemed it worthy enough to acknowledge?  Should it have been the Nobel Peace Prize?  Perhaps not&#8230; but what other award is there that the world community could give that would show that they are finally glad to see that the U.S. is finally getting involved?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-69844</link>
		<author>Derek</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about the news when I got back in town, and my reaction was much like yours. The movie is good, and I very much appreciate the work he has been doing to increase awareness for the dangers of climate change. Its release seems to have coincided with the turning point of global warming acceptance and awareness (whether or not it caused that awareness is debatable). But the Nobel Peace Prize for producing a movie and racking up who knows how many airplane miles to promote it? Thats a bit of a stretch. Give it to someone who has done something concrete to improve lives and foster an environment for peace. Are we going to give media celebrities a Nobel for having a press conference surrounded by African children next?

Of course, the history of the Nobel Peace Prize isn't exactly pristine. Even Teddy Roosevelt, who was a key player in fomenting the Spanish-American War and who begged Coolidge to be allowed to serve in WWI, had one of those on his mantle. I suppose we can only appreciate the times when a Grameen Bank gets the award, and roll our eyes when a Gore or Roosevelt get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about the news when I got back in town, and my reaction was much like yours. The movie is good, and I very much appreciate the work he has been doing to increase awareness for the dangers of climate change. Its release seems to have coincided with the turning point of global warming acceptance and awareness (whether or not it caused that awareness is debatable). But the Nobel Peace Prize for producing a movie and racking up who knows how many airplane miles to promote it? Thats a bit of a stretch. Give it to someone who has done something concrete to improve lives and foster an environment for peace. Are we going to give media celebrities a Nobel for having a press conference surrounded by African children next?</p>
<p>Of course, the history of the Nobel Peace Prize isn&#8217;t exactly pristine. Even Teddy Roosevelt, who was a key player in fomenting the Spanish-American War and who begged Coolidge to be allowed to serve in WWI, had one of those on his mantle. I suppose we can only appreciate the times when a Grameen Bank gets the award, and roll our eyes when a Gore or Roosevelt get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Manning</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-67678</link>
		<author>Jeremy Manning</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Welcome back!  I just read the email address from your comment this morning and realized who you were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Welcome back!  I just read the email address from your comment this morning and realized who you were.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-64916</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise that Daniel would exaggerate the criticism of Gore's movie saying "a lot" of the science is "crap".  The following is from the Times article which you can reach reach from your link above:

"He agreed that Mr Gore’s film was “broadly accurate” in its presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change..."

"He identified “four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC”. 

"In particular, he agreed with the main thrust of Mr Gore’s arguments: “That climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (‘greenhouse gases’).” 

"The other three main points accepted by the judge were that global temperatures are rising and are likely to continue to rise, that climate change will cause serious damage if left unchecked, and that it is entirely possible for governments and individuals to reduce its impacts."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise that Daniel would exaggerate the criticism of Gore&#8217;s movie saying &#8220;a lot&#8221; of the science is &#8220;crap&#8221;.  The following is from the Times article which you can reach reach from your link above:</p>
<p>&#8220;He agreed that Mr Gore’s film was “broadly accurate” in its presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He identified “four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC”. </p>
<p>&#8220;In particular, he agreed with the main thrust of Mr Gore’s arguments: “That climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (‘greenhouse gases’).” </p>
<p>&#8220;The other three main points accepted by the judge were that global temperatures are rising and are likely to continue to rise, that climate change will cause serious damage if left unchecked, and that it is entirely possible for governments and individuals to reduce its impacts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Part of the Plan</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62243</link>
		<author>Part of the Plan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62240</link>
		<author>Daniel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62240</guid>
		<description>Wow, I really should have edited my previous post. I made quite a lot of mistakes in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I really should have edited my previous post. I made quite a lot of mistakes in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62239</link>
		<author>Daniel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,
I've watched An Inconvenient Truth and as much as a lot of the science in it is crap, as a movie, it is pretty good. I was honestly impressed with the movie. The movie is very slick, but slick movies don't usually qualify people for Nobel prizes.

My favorite thing about Gore receiving the award is that just a few days ago a judge in England ruled that the movie contain a nine errors.  There's a good post about it here: http://britainandamerica.typepad.com/britain_and_america/2007/10/british-judge-f.html

Jesse Walker at Reason wrote this great piece today on how to win a Nobel Peace Prize:
http://reason.com/news/show/122958.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
I&#8217;ve watched An Inconvenient Truth and as much as a lot of the science in it is crap, as a movie, it is pretty good. I was honestly impressed with the movie. The movie is very slick, but slick movies don&#8217;t usually qualify people for Nobel prizes.</p>
<p>My favorite thing about Gore receiving the award is that just a few days ago a judge in England ruled that the movie contain a nine errors.  There&#8217;s a good post about it here: <a href="http://britainandamerica.typepad.com/britain_and_america/2007/10/british-judge-f.html" rel="nofollow">http://britainandamerica.typepad.com/britain_and_america/2007/10/british-judge-f.html</a></p>
<p>Jesse Walker at Reason wrote this great piece today on how to win a Nobel Peace Prize:<br />
<a href="http://reason.com/news/show/122958.html" rel="nofollow">http://reason.com/news/show/122958.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Manning</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62158</link>
		<author>Jeremy Manning</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62158</guid>
		<description>I have to admit that I don't know enough about any of this to have much of a valid point...I just can't think of any non-voucher topic besides this to blog about right now! I guess I'm suffering from a little bit of blog burn-out even though I haven't been blogging that hard lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that I don&#8217;t know enough about any of this to have much of a valid point&#8230;I just can&#8217;t think of any non-voucher topic besides this to blog about right now! I guess I&#8217;m suffering from a little bit of blog burn-out even though I haven&#8217;t been blogging that hard lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Manning</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62156</link>
		<author>Jeremy Manning</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62156</guid>
		<description>Ed,

I know you didn't advocate for Gore to receive the award...I'm just defending myself prematurely from charges of being part of the right-wing noise machine because I've criticized Gore's award.  

I think your analysis is about the same as mine.  The award is pretty pointless and awarding it to Gore doesn't do much to enhance its stature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>I know you didn&#8217;t advocate for Gore to receive the award&#8230;I&#8217;m just defending myself prematurely from charges of being part of the right-wing noise machine because I&#8217;ve criticized Gore&#8217;s award.  </p>
<p>I think your analysis is about the same as mine.  The award is pretty pointless and awarding it to Gore doesn&#8217;t do much to enhance its stature.</p>
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		<title>By: Part of the Plan</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/10/12/gores-award-cheapens-the-efforts-of-his-co-winners/#comment-62020</link>
		<author>Part of the Plan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to go back and read my post again.  I didn't say I agreed with the decision to award him...I merely predicted it would bring forth immediate howls of rage and indignation from the right-wing noise machine, and I was right...it's happening already.  Just read the first two comments to my post.

The history of the Nobel Peace Prize has long been controversial.  Remember all those Israeli Prime Ministers who have received it?  How much peace is there in the Middle East today?

Also, I'm not sure I understand why you think the IPCC is so much more deserving than Gore...for the record, they don't do any research, they merely compile available reports and other data.  Their biggest achievement has been the Kyoto Accords...what's the difference between what they say and what Gore says, anyway?

Of course I'm at a disadvantage because I have not seen the Gore film.  Nevertheless, even if I were better informed, I'm not sure if I would agree that a guy who produced a documentary on climate change is deserving of the "peace" prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to go back and read my post again.  I didn&#8217;t say I agreed with the decision to award him&#8230;I merely predicted it would bring forth immediate howls of rage and indignation from the right-wing noise machine, and I was right&#8230;it&#8217;s happening already.  Just read the first two comments to my post.</p>
<p>The history of the Nobel Peace Prize has long been controversial.  Remember all those Israeli Prime Ministers who have received it?  How much peace is there in the Middle East today?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not sure I understand why you think the IPCC is so much more deserving than Gore&#8230;for the record, they don&#8217;t do any research, they merely compile available reports and other data.  Their biggest achievement has been the Kyoto Accords&#8230;what&#8217;s the difference between what they say and what Gore says, anyway?</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m at a disadvantage because I have not seen the Gore film.  Nevertheless, even if I were better informed, I&#8217;m not sure if I would agree that a guy who produced a documentary on climate change is deserving of the &#8220;peace&#8221; prize.</p>
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