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	<title>Comments on: Deseret Morning News Mostly Right On Property Tax Proposals</title>
	<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/</link>
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		<title>By: UtahTeacher</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97506</link>
		<author>UtahTeacher</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposal to evaluate property value every year seems to be obviously the best plan.  Is the rolling 5 year average proposed because some think it is better, or is it a practical thing because it would cost a lot more to hire enough staff to reevaluate each property each year?  Is the 5 year average a decent compromise?  

As for the comments, I think the inflated real estate market, along with the exclusionary non-disclosure laws you already blogged about, is the real problem for affordable family housing.    Overcoming the initial price barrier to ownership at a monthly payment that leaves enough leeway for savings and emergencies is getting ridiculous.  I couldn't afford to buy my own house now, 18 months after we purchased it.  But we made sure we got a mortgage that used a reasonable percentage of our income, so when our taxes went up, we had enough flexibility to cover the unexpected increase.  I'm not defending tax increases, I'm just saying that buying a house too close to your income limit is as much a problem as mortgage fraud.  I think the elderly who have owned homes forever and are facing huge increases in home value with a fixed income need some protection, but younger purchasers can only be taxed out of their property if they over-extend themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposal to evaluate property value every year seems to be obviously the best plan.  Is the rolling 5 year average proposed because some think it is better, or is it a practical thing because it would cost a lot more to hire enough staff to reevaluate each property each year?  Is the 5 year average a decent compromise?  </p>
<p>As for the comments, I think the inflated real estate market, along with the exclusionary non-disclosure laws you already blogged about, is the real problem for affordable family housing.    Overcoming the initial price barrier to ownership at a monthly payment that leaves enough leeway for savings and emergencies is getting ridiculous.  I couldn&#8217;t afford to buy my own house now, 18 months after we purchased it.  But we made sure we got a mortgage that used a reasonable percentage of our income, so when our taxes went up, we had enough flexibility to cover the unexpected increase.  I&#8217;m not defending tax increases, I&#8217;m just saying that buying a house too close to your income limit is as much a problem as mortgage fraud.  I think the elderly who have owned homes forever and are facing huge increases in home value with a fixed income need some protection, but younger purchasers can only be taxed out of their property if they over-extend themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97176</link>
		<author>Jesse Harris</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97176</guid>
		<description>When it comes to issues of dollars and cents, Sen. Neiderhauser puts his accounting background to good work. His proposal to do top-to-bottom audits in each department every four years and institute zero-based budgeting is one of the main reasons I voted for him. This proposal sounds equally on-target.

I've seen the sting on our own tax bill. Since last year, our property taxes jumped a solid 15% or so. $200 a year might not sound like a lot, but I don't think we should part with one more red cent than we have to. I can't imagine how much this adversely impacts lower-income and fixed-income families; nobody should be taxed out of their property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to issues of dollars and cents, Sen. Neiderhauser puts his accounting background to good work. His proposal to do top-to-bottom audits in each department every four years and institute zero-based budgeting is one of the main reasons I voted for him. This proposal sounds equally on-target.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the sting on our own tax bill. Since last year, our property taxes jumped a solid 15% or so. $200 a year might not sound like a lot, but I don&#8217;t think we should part with one more red cent than we have to. I can&#8217;t imagine how much this adversely impacts lower-income and fixed-income families; nobody should be taxed out of their property.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Farrer</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97158</link>
		<author>Tyler Farrer</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97158</guid>
		<description>I like Senator Neiderhauser's proposal as well.  I think James Ivie is right that we should try to equalize when we assess all homes.  We should not suspend tax payments for some, because that shifts the burden to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Senator Neiderhauser&#8217;s proposal as well.  I think James Ivie is right that we should try to equalize when we assess all homes.  We should not suspend tax payments for some, because that shifts the burden to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Manning</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97137</link>
		<author>Jeremy Manning</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97137</guid>
		<description>Amen Steve.

I think it is important that as the legislature considers changes to the way property taxes are administered we make sure they don't adopt measures which put the hurt on working class people even worse than the current system does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Steve.</p>
<p>I think it is important that as the legislature considers changes to the way property taxes are administered we make sure they don&#8217;t adopt measures which put the hurt on working class people even worse than the current system does.</p>
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		<title>By: steve C.</title>
		<link>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97046</link>
		<author>steve C.</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2007/11/27/deseret-morning-news-mostly-right-on-property-tax-proposals/#comment-97046</guid>
		<description>I am totally disgusted with property taxes in Utah.  If you cannot afford a home, your family suffers and many times may even disolve (divorce etc.).  The government seems to be so greedy, that they are forcing the hard working class people out of their homes with the continuosly never ending rise of property taxes.  Do they really think that our wages continue to go up like property taxes do? Do the math, and check out the stats.  We have a big problem here!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally disgusted with property taxes in Utah.  If you cannot afford a home, your family suffers and many times may even disolve (divorce etc.).  The government seems to be so greedy, that they are forcing the hard working class people out of their homes with the continuosly never ending rise of property taxes.  Do they really think that our wages continue to go up like property taxes do? Do the math, and check out the stats.  We have a big problem here!!!</p>
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