Comments on: Real Conservatives Chime In On Immigration Solutions http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2008/05/06/real-conservatives-chime-in-on-immigration-solutions/ Pragmatic Libertarianism Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:19:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: nosurfgirl http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2008/05/06/real-conservatives-chime-in-on-immigration-solutions/#comment-250350 nosurfgirl Sun, 25 May 2008 15:22:11 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2008/05/06/real-conservatives-chime-in-on-immigration-solutions/#comment-250350 I have to agree with the idea that keeping 'em out summarily is not going to work, nor is it really humane, I do not think. Yes, it's wrong for people to come here illegally when thousands of people wait in line and jump thru the hoops to get here legally. But the reality is, we NEED this nomadic group of immigrant workers. Our lettuce and other produce would skyrocket in price, otherwise. Should be willing to pay $3.00 for a head of lettuce in order to insure that a "legal american" has the job instead of someone who has come here illegally? I respect anyone who really takes that position. What I do not find particularly respect-worthy are those who bury their heads in the sand and say that illegal immigrants are the scourge of this country and continue to enjoy their $1.00 lettuces and $1.50/lb fruits. (Not to stereotype. I know immigrant workers aren't just farm laborers. But I'm using it as an illustrative example.) I have to agree with the idea that keeping ‘em out summarily is not going to work, nor is it really humane, I do not think. Yes, it’s wrong for people to come here illegally when thousands of people wait in line and jump thru the hoops to get here legally. But the reality is, we NEED this nomadic group of immigrant workers. Our lettuce and other produce would skyrocket in price, otherwise. Should be willing to pay $3.00 for a head of lettuce in order to insure that a “legal american” has the job instead of someone who has come here illegally? I respect anyone who really takes that position.

What I do not find particularly respect-worthy are those who bury their heads in the sand and say that illegal immigrants are the scourge of this country and continue to enjoy their $1.00 lettuces and $1.50/lb fruits. (Not to stereotype. I know immigrant workers aren’t just farm laborers. But I’m using it as an illustrative example.)

]]> By: Reach Upward http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2008/05/06/real-conservatives-chime-in-on-immigration-solutions/#comment-231890 Reach Upward Wed, 07 May 2008 16:53:36 +0000 http://www.themannings.org/soapbox/2008/05/06/real-conservatives-chime-in-on-immigration-solutions/#comment-231890 I've read the whole thing. They don't come out and support open borders. In fact, they specifically steer clear of federal issues other than to say that the feds have immigration messed up. They focus on discussing what Utah should do given the realities of federal governance and actual people. But Sutherland pleads for Utahns to welcome and work to assimilate all immigrants, legal or not. Much of the first part of the essay is an argument against the enforcement-first approach to immigration. Pages 15-18 detail Sutherland's seven-point plan for what Utah should do. I’ve read the whole thing. They don’t come out and support open borders. In fact, they specifically steer clear of federal issues other than to say that the feds have immigration messed up. They focus on discussing what Utah should do given the realities of federal governance and actual people. But Sutherland pleads for Utahns to welcome and work to assimilate all immigrants, legal or not.

Much of the first part of the essay is an argument against the enforcement-first approach to immigration. Pages 15-18 detail Sutherland’s seven-point plan for what Utah should do.

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